From DoorDasher to $1.5 MILLION in Actual Property (All at 22 Years Previous!)

David:
That is the BiggerPockets podcast, present 749.

Rob:
I by no means thought that whereas I used to be DoorDashing in faculty, not having essentially the most clear imaginative and prescient of what I needed to do after, that actual property would permit me to personal over 10 properties proper round one million and a half in valuation and have the power to create some long-term constant money move.

David:
What’s occurring, everybody? That is David Greene, your host of the BiggerPockets podcast. Right here right now with my co-host, Rob Abasolo, with a present that’s going to blow your thoughts. Immediately’s visitor is 22-year-old Josh Janus, who has already established an actual property portfolio over 10 properties, can be promoting homes as an agent. He bought $17 million final yr. On this episode, Rob and I get into how he’s doing it and what he’s found out that different folks haven’t. My thoughts continues to be blown, Rob. How are you feeling?

Rob:
It’s a kind of issues the place I’m similar to if you discover somebody that unlocks one thing in actual property they usually’re completely crushing, it’s tremendous spectacular, however if you discover somebody that’s 22 years outdated making six figures a month doing rather well in actual property, it truly is simply a kind of issues the place I’m like, “Man, I acquired to catch up.” And I’m like 10 years after this man.

David:
That leads us to right now’s fast tip: Get began in actual property early. How will you get began now? I’ve typically heard it mentioned that the most effective time to purchase actual property is 10 years in the past. The faster you get that clock began, the higher it’s going to be for you. One of the best offers that I’ve is the stuff that I purchased the longest time in the past. That doesn’t imply to purchase unhealthy offers early, however purchase good offers early and wait. Rob, what’s one thing about right now’s present that you just assume folks ought to preserve an eye fixed out for?

Rob:
Even with Josh’s success and the way a lot cash he was making, which we’ll get into that within the episode, he was nonetheless actually trustworthy about his fears moving into his first property that he most likely may have straight-up paid money for in a single or two months. And so, it was simply good to listen to that even somebody that could possibly be making a lot cash may nonetheless be susceptible and fearful of their first deal, but it surely was actually cool to see the glow up and to see that that first deal catapulted him to the place he’s right now. Yeah, only a actually cool inspiring second, I believe, to simply hear him put all of it on the market.

David:
He additionally shares how he acquired began in enterprise making duct tape wallets and DoorDashing. This can be a one that listened to the podcast driving round, dropping off Jack within the field and pizzas and turned it into an actual property empire, similar to lots of you which can be listening to this now really need. That is one I’ll hearken to twice and pull as many items of knowledge as you’ll be able to out of this story to consider how one can apply it to your life. With none additional ado, let’s herald actual property phenom, Josh Janus.
Immediately’s visitor, Josh Janus, knew in highschool that he needed to retire by 30 years of age, so he constructed and managed completely different facet hustles, from duct tape wallets to a profitable sneaker enterprise. Josh was a school scholar who additionally drove for DoorDash. Final yr at age 22, he bought over 125 properties in his first yr as an actual property agent, totaling over 17 million. As an investor-friendly agent, he has bought and renovated over 10 properties utilizing little or no of his personal cash in actual property during the last seven months. We’re going to unpack this right now. Josh, welcome to the podcast.

Josh:
Thanks.

David:
Yeah, it seems like you will have a powerful entrepreneurial focus. Earlier than we get into the way you completed every thing that I’ve mentioned, what was it about actual property that attracted you within the first place?

Josh:
After I was youthful, I used to be all the time making an attempt to save cash. I didn’t actually know precisely the most efficient factor to do with it, however I used to be like, “Hey, I’d as nicely stash it away and finally I’ll determine it out.” I had round $10,000 saved up, like free capital to make use of. I used to be beginning my faculty profession, and I used to be launched to the concept of home hacking when mainly Googling what to do with 10 to $20,000 if you’re 20. That led me to BiggerPockets and that was my introduction to actual property as an entire.

David:
Did you ever truly go wherever with home hacking?

Josh:
I used to be shut. So again once I was residing in Cleveland, Ohio, I used to be properties. I found out the place I needed a home hack, however I ended up switching and going to a distinct faculty, I went to the Ohio State College, after which my subsequent journey was going to be the home hack there, however I didn’t truly find yourself doing it.

Rob:
So Josh, it looks as if clearly you’re a bit bit entrepreneurial right here. Earlier than we get into the true property stuff, as a result of I believe even on the age of twenty-two, having $10,000 in your checking account is a tough factor. Lots of people are like, “How can I get 10,000 bucks?” So are you able to inform us a bit bit about the way you even acquired the ten,000 bucks? Did you simply have a ton of facet hustles or had been you working a job?

Josh:
Certain. I used to be working. I used to be doing plenty of facet hustles. I used to make duct tape wallets once I was in center faculty and attempt to promote these. That was enjoyable. The following factor was actually focused on was sneakers, the entire sneaker tradition, reselling, as a result of I used to be a fairly large basketball participant and I used to be uncovered to that trade. I used to be going to completely different sneaker occasions, I might hire out a desk, convey as a lot sneakers as I may slot in my couple baggage and attempt to promote them and mainly simply stored these income through the years.

Rob:
Good. What did a duct tape pockets run you again within the day?

David:
Oh, man, it was like $5 to promote. I imply, it was plenty of work for $5.

Rob:
Oh, I see, as a result of I used to be going to say a roll of… nicely, rest room paper… sorry, duct tape going to price you want three, 4 bucks, so yeah, for those who can make-

David:
See, Josh, that is my downside, Rob all the time forgets to incorporate the worth of time. He solely appears to be like on the cash when he calculates ROI, you’ll be able to see.

Rob:
That’s true, however you had plenty of time.

Josh:
True. Yeah, I used to be doing it at school and on the bus.

David:
This jogs my memory of me. I want I had had one thing. I’ve all the time had a really tough time paying consideration at school, in class. Anytime that I’ve to observe someone else’s tempo, in the event that they’re speaking too sluggish, I’m like, “Ah.” My mind simply wanders. I can’t sit there. They didn’t have fidget spinners. Or what’s the opposite issues that everyone performs with now, Rob?

Rob:
Fidget cubes.

David:
Fidget cubes, there you go. Proper? What did we’ve got in my day? We had silly pencils with completely different coloured lead that you can click on the completely different colours and play with, or we had these bracelets that you can snap in your wrists and they’d curl up in a ball. I doubt both of you guys ever noticed these issues, but-

Rob:
Oh yeah, you continue to have that vivid pink one that you just all the time play with in the course of the podcast?

David:
Yeah. And once I work out. That’s my fortunate exercise wristband. Vibrant pink, completely. PinkerPockets for the win. You’re entrepreneurial at coronary heart, Josh, which I like as a result of I do know that is the place you be taught the basics that later translated into actual property investing. We interviewed Ryan Pineda on our podcast years in the past, and he talked about how he flipped couches. He would purchase couches, repair them up, and flip them, which he then later became a home flipping enterprise, and now he’s constructed a complete empire, which I prefer to assume we’re mainly those that launched in into the environment. However Ryan took that atmospheric launch and constructed one thing fairly cool out of it. So I’m curious for those who may share what classes do you assume you discovered with a few of these early endeavors that translated into actual property later?

Josh:
I suppose within the sneaker tradition you’d see a few of these actually cool sneakers that athletes had been sporting or celebrities, and perhaps you’d flip a number of pairs, you’d make like 500 bucks. And also you’d need to take that revenue and instantly purchase your personal pair to maintain and put on. My mindset was I’d fairly save that cash and perhaps put it in direction of an asset. I discovered the concept of belongings once I was youthful, the place you’ll be able to truly use cash to earn more money. I didn’t actually perceive which belongings to make use of on the time. I simply knew that idea, and I used to be like, “It’s acquired to be a greater method of spending my $500 revenue.” So I believe that’s one factor that I discovered for certain once I was youthful.

Rob:
By the way in which, that’s not the worst mindset to have the place you say, “I really need this factor, so I’m going to determine find out how to generate profits with this factor that I need, promote it, make a revenue, after which get the factor that I need.” That’s actual property in a nutshell, proper? You need to purchase property, so you purchase a property, you flip it, you are taking the income, and what do you do? And often, for those who’re a very good actual property investor, you go and also you dump it again into one other property otherwise you purchase a property and produce other folks pay for it, long-term leases or short-term leases. I believe the mindset will not be incorrect, it’s simply actually spectacular that you just discovered at a really younger age that as an alternative of shopping for sneakers, you need to put it into one thing that’s going to make you extra money.

Josh:
Yeah, I believe I used to be all the time looking for extra methods to be extra productive with my cash. I discovered early on, for sure, sneakers that I’ve to go to the shop and wait a number of hours, I used to be pondering, “This isn’t very scalable if I need to attempt to get 20 pairs of sneakers as a result of I can’t be concurrently at 20 locations on the similar time. I’ve to learn to depend on different folks.” Various things like that helped.

David:
I attempted completely different endeavors too. I labored at eating places, and I discovered find out how to promote wine and steak, after which I attempted to get a job promoting vehicles at one level and that didn’t work out. However in the end, I believe plenty of us see actual property as the top we’re making an attempt to get to. We need to promote the most costly factor we are able to. Getting an actual property license will not be one thing you want this four-year diploma. I want it was. I’d really feel significantly better if brokers needed to go get a two or four-year diploma to so homes as a result of there’d be much less crappy ones on the market, and we’ll get into your profession there too, Josh. However was it the identical factor for you that actual property was only a pure development of the most effective factor that you can promote?

Josh:
Yeah, I believe so. It appeared like I needed to put nearly, now they appear again on it, the period of time it takes for me to promote one home was nearly the identical period of time and power it took for me to promote one or two pairs of sneakers in some methods.

David:
And your arms aren’t sore from creating these duct tape wallets on a regular basis. It’s simpler.

Josh:
Sure, that too.

David:
You let DocuSign do all of the work, much less paper cuts. All proper, so let’s return in time. You’re in faculty… I say return in time, you’re 22 years outdated, you would possibly nonetheless be in faculty. The place does this curiosity in actual property begin to come into play? How and the place did you begin to dig in?

Josh:
I imply, I simply was googling, “What do I do with 10,000 or $20,000? How do I make investments it?” I can’t bear in mind if it was BiggerPockets immediately, however I noticed home hack, and I used to be like, “Possibly I may purchase a property on the faculty campus I used to be going to. Dwell in a single unit, hire every thing else out.” That slowly led me to grasp, “Oh man, if I turn out to be an agent, I may determine a option to discover doubtlessly the most effective offers,” in order that was my aim.

David:
So that you didn’t purchase a home to deal with hack, however you bought uncovered to actual property, it made sense to you, and also you thought, “You realize what? I’ll simply get my license and I’ll assist different folks do the identical factor.”?

Josh:
Yep.

David:
All proper. So did you simply lookup find out how to get an actual property license and simply begin learning and try this, or did you will have a mentor that guided you?

Josh:
The very first thing was diving into the BiggerPockets boards, actually. This podcast would possibly sound like a BiggerPockets promotion, however in all actuality, a ton of my development actually stemmed from that basis. However that was one of many first issues. After which I additionally acquired latched onto a man named Remington Lyman, who’s additionally an agent. He works at Reafco Actual Property, he owns the brokerage I work at. However I messaged him, I used to be explaining my scenario. He hopped on a Zoom name with me, defined the advantages of home hacking like, “Possibly for those who needed to turn out to be an agent right here or come right here, we are able to train you find out how to discover off-market offers. We might help you construct these techniques.” After which subsequent factor you recognize, I used to be working as arduous as I can to get my license.

Rob:
So that you’re getting your license, and clearly as you identify your actual property agent enterprise, that’s going to take a while to get that deal move and really closing properties and earning profits. Have been you working some other jobs whilst you had been doing this or had been you all in on the very starting?

Josh:
Within the very starting, I used to be nonetheless taking lessons. I used to be learning laptop science, after which I used to be driving for DoorDash 20 to 30 hours per week. After which at any second I may, I used to be making an attempt to simply chilly name. That was my principal supply of discovering offers at first. My plan was chilly name, discover a deal, or at the very least get someone to speak to me about their property, get some particulars, convey it to one of many brokers that I used to be working with. They’d break down the deal, clarify like, “Possibly an investor would really like this,” or get some clarification on what the rents are, the lease phrases are. It began there.

Rob:
Have been you ever deep in dialog, you’re like, “Give me one second,” and then you definitely’d pause to take a photograph of the DoorDash supply to add within the app after which get again on the decision?

Josh:
Possibly. I used to be making an attempt to not do the supply whereas calling to… I used to be doing it once I was driving, however not necessarily-

Rob:
Oh, mid supply.

Josh:
Yeah. Yeah.

Rob:
What sort of cash does a DoorDasher make? Should you’re working 20 to 30 hours per week, is that fairly good revenue? Are you able to give us a bit body of reference there?

Josh:
Yeah, I imply, I used to be round 5 to $800 per week, I believe, working that quantity of hours. That’s fairly good.

Rob:
Yeah, that’s strong, particularly for those who’re in faculty and also you’re doing all that. So that you’re DoorDash and making fairly good cash for the place you might be in life and also you’re chilly calling. What was that first deal like if you truly landed a lead that grew to become a transaction that paid you out?

Josh:
Undoubtedly. So I used to be chilly calling 4 models in what I might name A-Class space. I simply discovered a man that occurred to be motivated that day. He was fairly straightforward to speak with. I introduced it to the agent I used to be working with, he’s like, “Oh yeah, we may promote this deal.” So I wrote up an e mail, which is the way in which that we market our offers, then he introduced it to his buyers. Someone ended up taking the deal on. That took a couple of month to shut, as most properties do, and I mainly made what I might make in a month and a half from DoorDash from that. I used to be fairly psyched as a result of I believed, “I simply must knock out a number of extra of those and I may find yourself making this produce extra revenue than simply DoorDash.”

Rob:
So that you began math out like, “Oh man, if I did this 3 times, I’ll make this amount of cash.”

Josh:
Oh yeah, undoubtedly. After which one other factor is, for those who get your license, you find yourself making a a lot greater reduce as a result of you’ll be able to truly characterize both the vendor or the client, is dependent upon the scenario, so I used to be making a referral price. In order quickly as that deal will shut, I used to be like, “All proper, I acquired to get my license. Let’s begin learning proper now and attempt to knock it out.”

Rob:
Yeah. So was that extra, I don’t know, a wholesale deal the place you’re calling, you discover somebody, you get a property off-market. They’re like, “Yeah, I’m keen to promote it.” Are you then passing that off to realtors to promote or had been you promoting it to an investor and taking a small price for that?

Josh:
I labored below a realtor named Abe, so mainly I simply wrote all the small print of the property, gave to him, after which he discovered an investor that was within the brokerage that I used to be working at. It’s like a hybrid type of wholesaling. We simply don’t truly put the offers below contract, we simply current the knowledge to the potential buyers.

Rob:
Is sensible. I suppose you shut this deal, you’re like, “Oh my gosh, I simply acquired to do that many occasions.” You begin getting extra into this. How had been you in a position to steadiness every thing from getting your license to ending faculty to, I assume, nonetheless perhaps working some DoorDash right here and there?

Josh:
I imply, at that time, mainly I used to be like, “I’m simply going to make use of all of my time exterior of faculty to dedicate in direction of nonetheless sustaining a chilly calling schedule,” which I believe is de facto vital, “after which getting my license.” So I acquired my license in about two months.

Rob:
Are chilly name hours all the time 9:00 to 17:00 or had been you getting artistic and calling from 5:00 PM to 9:00 PM too?

Josh:
9:00 to 11:00 was my chilly, chilly calls, the folks I’d by no means actually talked to. After which I might use 13:00 to 17:000 as plenty of follow-ups or new chilly calls. However it appeared like for those who hit someone within the morning once they’re driving, “Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, name me again later,” then I simply hit them later, and often that ended up being a fairly respectable converter.

Rob:
David, do you think about your self a lot of an excellent chilly caller? I’ve by no means heard this facet of you earlier than, so I’m curious.

David:
I did it at first of my profession once I needed to. I didn’t adore it, so I didn’t do it loads. If you’re looking for offers, most individuals fall into one in every of two classes. There’s the direct contact individual, which is a chilly caller, or there’s the content material creator, which will get folks coming to them. Most individuals often take a kind of two paths. And since I ended up as a podcast host and an writer, I went the content material creation facet versus the direct chilly name.
Josh, I imply, you probably did what you can do since you didn’t have an enormous podcast behind you to unfold the phrase. I’m curious since you talked about one thing, you talked about this wholesale hybrid mannequin. Are you able to give us a bit extra element of what you imply by the way you had been earning profits on these offers?

Josh:
So the vendor was like, “Hey, I need 450 for this 4 unit.” And customarily wholesalers would write up a contract, get it below contract, after which promote that contract for a price. The way in which that we do it on the brokerage I work at, at Reafco, we don’t put it below contract. We simply take all the small print of the deal, write it in an e mail, after which current that to our buyers. After which if one in every of our buyers likes it or they need to write a suggestion, we simply write up the supply and current it on to the vendor.

David:
How are you being compensated? Are you getting a list settlement from the vendor if you convey the client to them and there’s a fee in there for you guys?

Josh:
We don’t truly use itemizing agreements, no. Throughout that timeframe once I didn’t have my license, I used to be getting a fourth of the fee for the agent I used to be working below. He acquired 3%, then the agent that introduced the client acquired 3%, after which I ended up with 25% of the three%. That’s how we did it.

David:
How had been you guys getting commissions if there was no itemizing settlement?

Josh:
It’s nonetheless an executable contract with commissions within the settlement, so it’s going to say, “Vendor to pay 6% to our brokerage.”

David:
I gotcha. So you’d convey a purchaser and within the supply it might have who was getting paid so far as the brokers are involved?

Josh:
Appropriate.

David:
I see. So fairly than placing, getting a home, placing it available on the market, letting everyone see it, making an attempt to get gives, negotiating the best one, you guys simply reduce to the chase and also you mentioned, “Hey, I acquired a purchaser that can pay this a lot for your own home. If you wish to take the deal, right here’s how a lot it’s going to price you. Right here’s what the web to make use of goes to be,” and also you guys had been operating a bit extra effectively.

Josh:
Yeah. I believe it permits us to make the most of these leads that aren’t as motivated to signal a list settlement, as a result of there’s lots of people that fall in that class, I believe.

David:
That is additionally a type of off-market deal, so different consumers didn’t have entry to the identical stuff that you just guys had been bringing them, appropriate?

Josh:
Yep.

Rob:
Yeah, however Josh, let’s say you’re presenting this property, since you don’t have a contractor, you don’t have a list settlement, what would cease an investor for those who say, “Hey, investor, I’ve acquired this cool property, right here’s the tackle,” what would cease them from simply going over you and going straight to the vendor and simply transacting the deal themselves?

Josh:
That’s a very good query. We now have an off-market settlement that we current to everyone previous to setting offers that roughly states, “Should you go after a deal that we convey, it’s a must to use us as your agent.” To start with once they haven’t signed it but, we’ll ship folks tough descriptions of all of the offers. It gained’t have the tackle, often gained’t have footage. However then in the event that they’re like, “Hey, I actually just like the idea of this deal,” we’ll set on the settlement after which they signal it and we’re good to go.

David:
So it’s a type of a purchaser illustration settlement. Folks don’t notice you don’t should set it up for each home that I present you or each home you can purchase. You may say, “For this tackle, I’ve to be your agent,” however they may use a distinct purchaser’s agent for various properties that get dropped at them. That truly is sensible. I see now why you’re calling it a wholesale hybrid, as a result of wholesalers do it that method. They are saying, “Right here’s a 3, two with 1,800 sq. toes on this zip code that will hire for this a lot cash.” That’s all that individuals get to start out with till they need to analyze it later. So you utilize that advertising strategy paired with actual property contracts to guard every celebration there. What occurred subsequent? How did you get to the purpose that you just had been making extra from these commissions than you had been making out of your DoorDashing?

Josh:
In order that first examine got here in, that was a couple of month and a half’s price of DoorDash. I had plenty of heat leads, those who weren’t able to promote immediately however they had been getting shut. I used to be mainly like, “I’m going to take the following six weeks, I’m going to go actually arduous at this.” At that time, I used to be spending two to a few occasions extra hours per week on this than I used to be earlier than. Then I acquired my license, then I began placing an entire bunch of offers in contract.

Rob:
If you say you’re placing two or three extra hours, do you imply simply within the follow-up?

Josh:
Sorry, my unhealthy, two to a few occasions extra hours per week than I used to be earlier than as a result of I used to be like, “Hey, no extra DoorDash for now, we’ll simply work on actual property.”

Rob:
Obtained it. Was all that point on lead era, was it following up with… since you mentioned you had a big pool of heat leads, so these are those who, they’re , they’re not prepared to tug the set off essentially, however for those who preserve approaching them, coming again to them, finally they convert, proper?

Josh:
Yeah, finally. Yeah.

David:
All proper. Have been there any key studying factors throughout this tough time? What was occurring available in the market presently? Was it nonetheless red-hot? Have been issues slowing down? The place are we in time?

Josh:
That is the start of ’22, so it was nonetheless sizzling, undoubtedly. It was cooling off a bit bit, however each deal that was respectable that hit the market would have a number of gives and the itemizing agent could be getting hounded. It was undoubtedly robust. Right now, I additionally tried to make an even bigger presence on BiggerPockets, so I used to be posting loads. I believe I cranked out 1,000 posts in about three months.

Rob:
Wait, maintain on. Okay, in order that’s 90 days, so that you had been posting 10 occasions to 12 occasions a day on the BiggerPockets boards?

Josh:
Yep. That was my schedule. I imagine from 5:30 to six:30 each morning I needed to spend an hour in BiggerPockets by posting or at the very least studying content material and making an attempt to supply worth.

Rob:
The place you had been making posts and really placing content material on the market, what’s an instance of one thing you’d throw out into the BiggerPockets universe?

Josh:
I imply, most of it was simply feedback on folks’s questions. I might attempt to reply them the most effective that I may. I might discuss concerning the Ohio market, the benefits to investing right here. I might discuss my journey and the way I’m studying.

Rob:
Did you’re feeling like folks begin to know who you had been? Did you get any relationships from doing that?

Josh:
Oh, yeah. Folks reaching out to me in BiggerPockets. They’re like, “Hey, I see a bit bit about this market or actual property investing usually.” At that time, I used to be making an attempt to handle these leads, after which I used to be additionally reaching out to different folks. So I arrange a Calendly hyperlink. I used to be like, “Hey, arrange a 15-minute name with me. We’ll determine what you’re in search of and the way I might help.”

David:
So when the market was sizzling and itemizing brokers had been getting a number of gives, how are you getting sellers to conform to promote their properties by you to a selected purchaser fairly than placing it on the market for everybody to see?

Josh:
I believe the truth that we weren’t utilizing itemizing agreements, they had been loads calmer. They didn’t really feel such as you had been making an attempt to push them to promote. It was extra so I used to be like, “Hey man, what do you want for this property? What quantity would you not deny?” If that quantity made respectable sense, we’d spend the time to jot down it up and promote it out .

David:
They usually weren’t having to repair their home up. I’m assuming plenty of these had been most likely bought with tenants already inside.

Josh:
Yeah, tenants inside. We’d get the rents, the lease phrases. They’d nearly all the time be as is. Yep.

David:
What had been you doing to seek out precise properties? Have been you simply pulling lists? Was this you’d be driving round and simply look and see a multi-unit property you thought an investor would really like?

Josh:
I used to be pulling lists from PropStream for essentially the most half and focusing on completely different areas. I used to be making an attempt to tug lists of those who hadn’t bought within the final yr or two years or that purchased it for a very low value in comparison with what it was doubtlessly price now, as a result of I felt like these may have been extra motivated folks.

Rob:
All proper, so that you’re on this world the place you’re determining your techniques, I see that you just’ve developed habits, you had a schedule, you’re now an agent. Give us an thought, how lengthy did it take from if you acquired your license to the primary deal that you just closed as an agent? How lengthy did that take?

Josh:
That was December to March, so mainly three months. I had my first 11 offers fall out of contract. It was fairly brutal. I felt like every thing was falling out for essentially the most distinctive causes, but it surely was an enormous studying expertise for me as a result of I used to be making errors, for certain.

Rob:
Man, the 11 offers, that’s brutal. David, is that standard in any respect? I do know you run the David Greene workforce, essentially the most elite actual property brokers on the market, is it regular for 11 offers to simply fall out from a first-time realtor?

David:
No, however as I’m listening to Josh’s technique right here, that begins to make sense. That is extra of a quantity based mostly strategy. He has sellers that aren’t motivated. He has consumers that they don’t have a relationship with. Everybody’s a little bit of a service provider marine right here. It’s simply pure numbers. If you may get me a deal that will get me the money on money return that I need, I’ll go ahead. Or if you may get me this quantity that was most likely larger than what they thought the property was price. So that you’ve acquired sellers that most likely need to promote for greater than a purchaser would need to pay. You get consumers which can be in search of the deal of the century. Each time you will have these expectations which can be off, it’s simpler for a deal to collapse. I’m assuming, Josh, you simply needed to make up for that with quantity. You had been most likely only a workhorse that was continuously in search of sellers, in search of consumers, matching them collectively, shifting on to the following factor.

Josh:
Undoubtedly, sure. I haven’t actually heard a abstract like that earlier than. That’s an excellent method of explaining it. I used to be mainly simply taking two those who had a low probability of closing and placing him collectively. When that occurs, you get a very low probability of closing.

Rob:
David is the king of this, by the way in which. He’s the king of summarizing one thing so concisely and succinct. I bear in mind we had… Let’s see, who was it? Chris Voss. Chris Voss got here on and he gave a philosophical factor, after which David is available in, he’s like, “So mainly, based mostly on this and this, it’s this, proper?” And Chris Voss was like, “Yeah, it’s that. Nobody’s ever informed me that earlier than.” It was like watching… Who painted the Mona Lisa? The painter of the Mona Lisa paint the Mona Lisa, however in the true property world. Michelangelo. Shoot, I’m about to look so dumb. Everybody within the feedback are going to be like, “No, it wasn’t Michelangelo.”

David:
Nicely, the bottom line is it’s a must to try this with Chris Voss since you don’t need to find yourself in a negotiation with him.

Rob:
Oh no, I bear in mind who it was. It was additionally the Blue Angels man. He had this entire story about how he made a mistake within the jet, after which he was like, “Are you able to guess the explanation that I made that mistake?” after which David was like, “Nicely, it was most likely since you acquired too snug and blah, blah, blah.” And he was like, “I’ve informed that story 1,100 occasions, and nobody has ever mentioned that to me. Yeah, that’s precisely why.” He was surprised. So anyhow, I all the time prefer to level that out once I see it.

David:
Nicely, thanks. Fast tip right here, if you want to have the ability to do the identical factor, cease in search of patterns to observe or so far as a technique, “Give me a blueprint, I simply need to go do one thing,” and begin asking questions like, “Nicely, why did that work?” or “Why did that not work?” after which these things jumps out. So simply from that info alone, I can inform sure issues about Josh. He’s a workhorse. He doesn’t get emotionally hooked up to any of those offers. When he places one thing in contract, he doesn’t spend the cash earlier than it closes. He’s similar to, “That’s a metric that goes on a spreadsheet. I’m now again to going to work.” He focuses on what we name the lead measures, not the lag measure, so what’s it I can do proper now versus measuring one thing that already occurred?
That is all actually good recommendation for everybody. You see this with actual property brokers the place they work actually arduous, they put a deal in contract, they get emotionally excited, they have fun, they exit ingesting with their associates, they begin occupied with what they’re going to spend the cash on, they’re calculating their commissions. Actual property brokers can calculate 3% of something, which is humorous as a result of we don’t all get 3% rarely anymore. However they get tremendous hooked up to the deal, after which when one thing goes improper, the appraisal is available in low, the inspection report is unhealthy, the consumer can’t get the mortgage, no matter it’s, they get actually discouraged after which they go ingesting once more. Which is why most actual property brokers all turn out to be alcoholics, as a result of they’re ingesting once they’re excited they usually’re ingesting once they’re bummed out they usually’re simply ingesting on a regular basis. I believe Josh’s strategy is significantly better since you’re approaching the enterprise of promoting houses like an actual property investor would assume, the place you’re simply letting the numbers make the selections. Am I off with that?

Josh:
You’re proper. Yeah, it’s simply preserve put them in contract, determine what mistake I made there and what can I modify in my techniques and my strategy to doubtlessly keep away from that sooner or later.

David:
Okay, so let me ask you, what are among the key errors that you would be able to share that you just discovered if you put these offers collectively that made the offers collapse?

Josh:
The very first thing could be not vetting the sellers. Typically they wouldn’t… I imply, sort of humorous, they didn’t even actually know what they owned. They’d say like, “Oh, these are three bed room models.” And then you definitely give them a contract, the inspector goes there, they usually’re like, “Dude, there’s solely two bedrooms.” And it’s like, ugh, you’ll be able to’t do something about that. You may’t simply construct a brand new bed room. In order that’s one factor.
One other factor is I discovered about ensuring the tenants are paying and the tenants are paying on time. That’s crucial, so getting these estoppel agreements doubtlessly at first as a result of that ended up inflicting points on the finish earlier than closing a number of occasions. After which not essentially vetting consumers very nicely. One instance that’s sort of humorous is I had a man making an attempt to purchase two properties for $600,000. We fell two weeks prior to shut as a result of he couldn’t get financing. I discovered that he had lower than $10,000 in his financial institution and he was making an attempt to place 25% down. I’m like, “Will we even do the maths right here?”

David:
It’s so humorous, as a result of I may simply completely see how this methodology would entice these issues. That is looking for a date on Craigslist. You’re like, “It’s a numbers sport, child.” You simply acquired to maintain lining them up since you’re going to get these folks which can be in search of a deal that’s unrealistic. The $8,000 man, I guess you what he was doing was he introduced this deal to different folks and he was making an attempt to get their cash on this deal that had a excessive money on money return quantity as a result of he listens to the podcast and he hears Brandon Turner say, “When you will have an ideal deal, yow will discover the cash.” He didn’t inform you that. He’s like, “Yeah, I’ll purchase it,” after which he’s operating round telling everybody he can, “What’s the elevating non-public capital script I’m supposed to make use of?” He’s making an attempt to get somebody to return in on the deal. He ran out of time after which he has to simply again out of it.
And also you, Josh, you get to work your method by all of those actually unbelievable situations that usually an actual property agent like us we’re like, “Oh, let’s see your proof of funds. Oh, you will have $8,000. No, we’re not going to go present you houses.” You didn’t get to do this. Did you set a system collectively? Do you will have a guidelines now? Do you will have a screening course of for each the consumers and the sellers?

Josh:
Undoubtedly, yeah. I attempt to write procedures for as many issues as I can. I’ll hop on a telephone name instantly with the folks as quickly as I meet them, little 15-minute assembly, ensure like, “Hey, are you pre-approved? If not, I’ve these lenders that I like to recommend. They’re nice on this space. You need to join with them.” I strive to determine their timeline, if you’re seeking to lock down a deal. One other factor I believe is de facto vital for working with buyers is, what’s your standards? Quite a lot of buyers don’t essentially put that ahead and brokers can find yourself losing time as a result of they don’t actually know what the persons are in search of.

David:
Yeah, I believe that’s a typical criticism buyers have too. “I informed them what I need. The agent didn’t hearken to me.” That’s one option to mess it up. The opposite method is the agent doesn’t even assume to ask what would you like. It’s humorous, in our world, somebody will say they need a deal and we don’t even assume to ask them to outline what they imply by deal. Some folks imply a very excessive money on money return. Some folks imply a property in the most effective space. Some folks imply one thing at considerably lower than ARV. Some folks imply simply any multi-unit property. It will probably imply so many various issues to folks a couple of deal. With out asking what meaning, it’s very arduous to ensure that what you’re bringing them goes to land. In your expertise, what are most of your investor shoppers in search of in what they name a deal?

Josh:
Round 60% of the persons are making an attempt to get into actual property. They’ve youngsters. They’ve a full-time job. They’re not making an attempt to stop every thing and simply do actual property. So they need properties which can be turnkey or near they’re occupied, they’re producing a very good sense of money move. They will purchase a few these a yr and be proud of a very good portfolio they usually’re carried out. After which the opposite 40% of individuals, I might say, want to do worth add, the BRRRR technique, artistic financing when it comes up, self-management, something that’s a bit bit extra concerned and requires much more of your time, that’s for the opposite folks.

David:
So these are the monetary freedom group that you just’re mainly working with. They’re making an attempt to get sufficient money move to allow them to stop their job.

Josh:
Yeah. I’ve plenty of calls the place the primary two minutes it’s like, “Yeah, I need to retire in 5 years.” It’s like, “You are able to do it, it’s simply arduous.”

David:
Let me present you find out how to promote some duct tape wallets.

Rob:
So that you talked about one thing earlier, Josh, a time period estoppel. Do you assume you’ll be able to simply give us a fast definition of what that’s as a result of it appeared like that was one thing that was popping up in plenty of these offers that fell out?

Josh:
Yeah. It’s mainly a abstract of what the tenant is paying, what their lease phrases are, and exhibiting that they’ve been paying. I don’t truly use estoppel agreements. That’s only a time period that I believed most individuals knew. However it’s mainly I need to see the hire historical past. Typically the vendor will simply present me checking account to indicate that the deposits are coming in or an precise abstract or an proprietor’s assertion from the property administration firm, one thing exhibiting that the money move is actual, it’s not pretend.

Rob:
11 offers fall by, you shut your first deal. Inform us a bit bit concerning the precise numbers on that first one. You mentioned that it was, I suppose, the identical as working a month and a half within the DoorDash world, proper?

Josh:
Yeah. So it was a $450,000 4 unit. There was 3% paid to the agent that I used to be working below, so he acquired $9,000… oh sorry, $12,000, after which I acquired 1 / 4 of that, so I acquired round three grand.

Rob:
Good. How did that really feel?

Josh:
That was actually cool. That was the largest examine I believe I’ve ever gotten. I used to be a bit intimidated, however I used to be like, “We don’t spend this now. That is our life for the following two months.”

Rob:
Oh yeah, that’s plenty of ramen noodles proper there, particularly at the start if you’re grinding a lot. So let’s fast-forward a bit bit as a result of I do know you’re grinding it out on the agent facet. Inform us about your precise first deal, as a result of David talked about at the start of the present that you just purchased 10 offers, which I believe was about $1.5 million in complete for the portfolio. So how did you truly get into the investing facet of issues?

Josh:
Undoubtedly. I began to promote plenty of properties. By month six, I had scaled my enterprise as much as $50,000 a month in fee. Really I had money reserves. I discovered these two duplexes listed by the identical agent. They’d been sitting available on the market for a number of months. I referred to as him up and he was like, “Yeah, the proprietor has short-term debt on it, he actually must promote it. They’re on the point of name his be aware.” They had been mainly keen to promote them at a 30% low cost. I ran my numbers and I used to be like, “This might make for an ideal BRRRR, each of them. You can be all in proper round 70 to 75% ARV. If you pull your cash out, it’s nonetheless going to provide a fairly strong money move.” So I needed to actually belief my numbers, however I made a decision to go after one in every of them.

Rob:
Okay. So wow, that’s a $50,000 a month, that’s what you had been making. How outdated had been you if you reached that quantity?

Josh:
21.

Rob:
21. David, does that make you’re feeling like… I really feel so lazy as a 21-year-old once I was again… I used to be not doing that. I used to be making an attempt to make… I don’t know, man. That’s loopy. Congratulations. That’s so cool.

David:
I used to be making lower than that in a yr, and that was nonetheless extra money than everyone else that I knew.

Rob:
Dude, that’s loopy. So all of that, the $50,000 a month, clearly that’s going to guide into your funding technique, however that simply got here from hunkering down in your agent enterprise, rising these techniques, creating your processes, and then you definitely grew it into simply 50K a month. That’s insane.

Josh:
Yeah. By month eight I truly acquired it to about 100K. Ever since then, I’m proper round 100,000 a month. I’ve been leveraging VAs for lots of procedures. I attempt to delegate as many duties as I can as a realtor. Strive to not, I don’t know, spend all day writing contracts, for instance, as a result of that may take half-hour on common. Quite a lot of days I’m writing between eight and 10 gives. That might be my whole day.

Rob:
Can I come be just right for you, please? Can David and I come be just right for you? Okay, so you don’t have any offers within the first three months and also you begin to fireplace on all cylinders. By June of 2022 you determine to get your first funding, which is a BRRRR, it seems like, or some sort of rehab. How did that go? Was that an entire new set of expertise that you just needed to be taught after already being so good at the true property facet, the realty facet?

Josh:
Yeah, I imply I had by no means carried out any rehabs. I didn’t actually know find out how to value issues out very nicely. Considered one of these contractors that I had been working with for my shoppers, I used to be like, “Hey, are you able to stroll this for me? Give me a bid.” He gave me a bid. The numbers made sense. One other factor was I may solely get the worth the place it made sense if the proprietor was in a position to promote each of them. So I used to be capable of finding one other investor to purchase the opposite one on the similar time. We lined them each up. I used arduous cash for mine. They lended as much as 90% of the venture price, which is your buy value plus your rehab, or 70% of the ARV, whichever quantity is much less.

David:
Nicely, it seems like we’re already within the deal deep tag, as a result of that is what we’re going to speak about. So let’s go forward and make this official. At this section of the present, we dive deep into a specific deal that our visitor has carried out and get the juicy deets. So first query, what sort of property is that this, Josh?

Josh:
It’s a duplex, two bed room models.

David:
Are you certain there are two bed room models? Are you aware what you will have? Are you a kind of sellers that claims that he’s acquired extra bedrooms than he does?

Josh:
Fortunately this time I knew.

David:
All proper, we’ll take your phrase.

Rob:
How’d you discover it?

Josh:
It was available on the market. It had been on there for a number of months. I referred to as the agent and he was like, “The present proprietor has short-term debt on it. They’re on the point of name it. He actually must promote. Should you can promote this one and one other one, you may get round a 30% low cost.” So my job was to attempt to promote one in every of them as a result of then my present scenario, I used to be solely snug with taking down one deal. I didn’t need to begin with two $40,000 rehabs.

David:
Okay. How a lot was this property?

Josh:
It was 85,000. The rehab estimation was proper round $30,000 for the one which I took down. The ARV that I had projected based mostly on gross sales comps was proper round 155,000.

Rob:
How’d you negotiate it?

Josh:
I imply, the agent mainly informed me that, “Should you can shut fast, if you can’t have many contingencies, you may get it at this value.” So then I counted round 10,000 decrease after which we met about midway within the center and acquired the deal carried out.

David:
And the way did you find yourself funding it?

Josh:
I used arduous cash. I needed to put down round 10%, after which I utilized my fee as a result of I used to be representing myself as a part of my down cost. So I used to be solely actually out of pocket like $10,000.

Rob:
What’d you find yourself in the end doing with this property?

Josh:
I renovated it. It took a bit bit longer than anticipated, as most likely the overwhelming majority of initiatives do. I discovered loads. As quickly as I used to be carried out, I went to the financial institution, I refinanced it. I acquired nearly all my a reimbursement out, and now I run it as a rental.

David:
Okay. In order that was the end result there. Inform me, what classes did you be taught from this deal?

Josh:
I used to be actually petrified of debt. I actually didn’t have any debt previous to this. I used to be undoubtedly petrified of short-term debt as a result of the arduous cash is like they’re knocking at your door in six months like, “It’s due.” The property, you both should pay it off, it’s a must to refinance it, or it’s a must to promote it. So I used to be undoubtedly intimidated taking up a property that at the moment wasn’t livable and wanted round 30 grand to be livable. These are the issues that I used to be petrified of, however I discovered from the buyers and mentors round me that you really want to belief your numbers in any occasion when evaluating a deal as a result of that’s what you’ll be able to depend on, particularly if you really feel unsure.

Rob:
So Josh, I suppose I’m making an attempt to grasp as a result of I do know you mentioned you used arduous cash and also you had been actually nervous about, I suppose, moving into this property and that you just had wanted $30,000 of labor. But when I’m remembering accurately, had been you making $50,000 a month at this level?

Josh:
Sure. Yeah.

Rob:
So what was the true concern right here as a result of it looks as if you most likely may have lined bills fairly simply?

Josh:
Yeah. I imply, the property was additionally not in a metropolis that I used to be residing in, so I used to be mimicking the expertise of an out-of-state investor as a result of I purchased it sight unseen. I used to be managing the complete venture from distant, so I discovered that.

Rob:
How do you’re feeling now although? Trying again, had been you want, “Oh, it truly wasn’t that unhealthy,” or do you continue to have a few of those self same reservations doing the out-of-state stuff?

Josh:
I imply, after the primary one I really feel method higher. I really feel much more assured. I can depend on my workforce. I can depend on the data that I convey to the desk by understanding gross sales comparables and issues like that.

David:
I’ve acquired two questions. One, have you ever learn Lengthy-Distance Actual Property Investing?

Josh:
Sure, I believe that was the primary e book I learn.

David:
Okay, good, as a result of that’s the primary e book I wrote, so we’ve got one thing in widespread. Quantity two, if I had been to make a revised model of this e book, based mostly in your expertise doing this deal out of state, what would you inform me to incorporate within the e book?

Josh:
I learn it some time in the past, so perhaps this was in there, but-

David:
Bro, you’re 22 years outdated, how way back could possibly be some time?

Josh:
I don’t know, two years, yr and a half. I might depend on a number of venture managers. That may take the type of an agent simply popping in each infrequently. That may be your property supervisor that’s accountable for tenant relations, or that may simply be a totally completely different contractor that is available in along with his personal third celebration opinion about how your venture’s going.

David:
So that you agree that the philosophy of have a number of folks trying over everybody’s work may lengthen into the precise rehab administration? That’s what you’re saying?

Josh:
Yeah.

David:
Okay. The rest that I ought to know as a result of I believe I’ll revise this e book, The BRRR, however a pair different ones once I get a while. I’m simply curious what must go in these books to replace them?

Josh:
Don’t depend on gross sales comparables which can be outdated if you’re initially trying on the deal. As a result of usually, at the very least in my state, the appraisers are going to take a look at the newest gross sales within the final six months once they’re appraising your property when it’s carried out. So the one factor that I did at my first deal was I used to be counting on a deal two doorways down that appraised for the worth I used to be going after, however by the point I used to be carried out with the rehab, that gross sales comp was exterior the six-month window in order that they now not may use it.

Rob:
That’s most likely extra related right now, proper?

David:
I believe so. Yeah. I used to be nearly to say, for the final 10 years, you checked out comps and that was your worst-case situation. Odds are it was going to be higher by the point it was carried out. The market has rotated. Charges have went from 3% to 7, 8%. Now we’re seeing value determinations are available low very continuously. A home may have bought for 800,000, you listing it for 750, the appraisal is available in for 685 or one thing as a result of charges have gone up a lot. In order that’s one other factor you bought to concentrate on is costs can go down now that charges have gone up, and that may catch folks without warning. Every other surprises that got here up particularly when it got here to purchasing in one other state that you just simply weren’t ready for?

Josh:
All the time estimate a bit bit over your preliminary rehab finances. The primary deal I purchased, I don’t assume the contractor appeared up within the attic, however there have been reside electrical wires operating on the ground within the attic, which is primary, very harmful and quantity two unlawful. I needed to tackle that instantly. That bumped my finances round 10%. I believe at each venture I’ve carried out since then, there’s all the time issues that pop up. I believe a ten% contingency ought to all the time be used.

David:
What about selecting tenants, what are you able to inform us about selecting tenants? Trying into tenant historical past, what are some stuff you search for?

Josh:
Should you’re shopping for one thing already tenant occupied, ensure they’re paying, they’re paying on time. You may see the way in which that they’re residing. Should you go in there and there’s stuff in every single place and it’s stuffed with the ceiling, you won’t all the time get your hire on time, not to mention even get it. You can nonetheless make offers work even with a non-paying tenant, relying on how good it’s. Simply be sure to’re accounting these bills in your numbers.

David:
Yeah. We briefly talked about this earlier, and it’s price repeating, it’s very straightforward, particularly for those who’re a brand new investor, you haven’t carried out this for some time, to get a lease to see this property’s making $950 a month, to run your numbers based mostly on the lease. You shut on the property, you notice the tenant’s eight months behind in hire, hasn’t been paying. The owner hasn’t needed to pay for an eviction or can’t afford an eviction, and they also simply bought it to you. That’s why we confirm that the cash’s truly being deposited within the financial institution, not simply what the lease is for. That is actually, actually, actually vital if you’re shopping for off-market properties or offers immediately from sellers such as you’re saying, as a result of most individuals, when their property is doing nicely, they don’t assume, “I ought to promote it.” Except there’s like critical issues available in the market and persons are pondering, “I need to promote earlier than issues flip round,” in case your property is earning profits and nothing’s going improper, you simply don’t take into consideration promoting it. However when issues begin breaking, tenants cease paying, it turns into a headache, you attempt to repair it. If you notice you’ll be able to’t repair it shortly, you promote, which is commonly precisely when consumers are getting launched to that deal.
Should you go in as the client anticipating that is only a common home on the MLS {that a} vendor is put in pristine form they usually’re making an attempt to get prime greenback, you’ll be able to actually get taken benefit of. Do you will have any tales you’ll be able to share of shoppers you’ve had or conditions you’ve had the place that’s been the case?

Josh:
Yeah, an off-market deal that I didn’t promote, but it surely was in my workplace, however this can be a nice instance. It was a duplex the place each tenants had been paying $1,100 a month. The rental comps had been really round 900, max 1,000. So it was actually excessive, which ought to all the time be a purple flag for those who’re seeing models renting for far more than what every thing else is round it. However when that property closed, when the vendor acquired his key or when the vendor’s PM acquired their keys they usually went to the property, each models had been vacated. It was vacant, they usually each left. That investor, I’m assuming, was operating numbers based mostly on 2,200 a month in hire, they usually’re not going to be getting that.

David:
That’s an ideal instance. Thanks for sharing that. Let’s get some fast readability right here. This was your first deal. How shortly did the remainder of your offers come collectively after this primary one?

Josh:
Yeah, so the following 4 that I purchased had been round a month to 2 months after that. After which ever since then I’ve been selecting up about one to a few each single month.

David:
Are these you’re discovering them the identical method that you just had been discovering offers for shoppers?

Josh:
Yeah, just about the identical methods, yep.

David:
All proper, Josh, trying forward, what does your plan appear to be for a way you plan to scale your portfolio?

Josh:
I’d prefer to construct extra contracting groups in order that I can tackle extra initiatives at a time. Proper now I’m engaged on 15 models. I’d prefer to construct a 10X to that, depend on extra folks, W-2 extra positions in order that I can depend on them extra and reduce your price down a bit bit. These are some classes that I’ve discovered from skilled property managers.

David:
Now, are you utilizing the BRRRR methodology on these properties fairly often?

Josh:
Sure, for certain.

David:
Okay, so with the change within the seasoning interval that we’re seeing with plenty of standard lenders, have you ever thought-about how that’s going to have an effect on how shortly you may get capital out and the pace you’ll be capable of scale?

Josh:
Undoubtedly. My technique hasn’t actually been affected by that as a result of I truly am not lendable nonetheless as a result of I don’t have two years of the identical revenue as a 1099 individual. So mainly I’m simply refinancing out in non-QM merchandise.

David:
That’s superior.

Rob:
Hey, David, you talked about that there’s a change within the seasoning interval. What’s that change? I do know with the BRRRR it’s a must to have the tenant in there for I believe six months. Is that what you imply, now it’s longer than six months?

David:
No, it’s not essentially the tenant must be in there, however in case you are shopping for a property that has a mortgage on it and also you need to refinance and pull money out of the property, you now have to attend 12 months as an alternative of six months for those who’re going to make use of a traditional mortgage. Now, Josh, talked about he’s utilizing no-QM, which stands for non-qualified mortgage. This might be DSER merchandise that you just’re listening to lots of people discuss. It’s vital additionally to notice that that doesn’t imply subprime crap. These are nonetheless 30-year mounted charge loans. It’s not an entire lot completely different. The speed’s going to be a bit bit larger as a result of they’re not going to be basing your capability to repay off of the cash you make, they’re going to be basing it off of what the property will produce itself, type of industrial underwriting tips. However many loans are making you wait 12 months earlier than you’ll be able to take money out of a property, not six. It seems like from what you bought occurring, Josh, this isn’t slowing you down since you’re simply earning profits by commissions as an agent, you’re not going to expire of money, proper?

Josh:
I don’t assume so, no.

David:
Yep. I like that multi-pillared strategy. If you’re not depending on only one pillar, these adjustments don’t throw your sport off since you’ve acquired a number of completely different approaches right here. What are you pondering, Rob, about shifting ahead, Josh’s technique?

Rob:
I believe it’s good, man. I imply, you’re selecting up loads, proper? I believe it might be clever to actually settle into it. Should you’re at this level the place you’re at 10, I might begin occupied with… I suppose I’m simply seeing it in your private scenario. You’re younger, you’re hungry, you’re making a ton of cash, and also you’re doing the precise factor, you’re shopping for property. As an alternative of simply pocketing 100K each month, you’re shifting it into actual property funds. However I might say now could be a second to perhaps take a step again and start thinking about your scale strategy. How will you cease placing a lot time into one to a few properties each month? And how are you going to begin perhaps specializing in greater performs that may perhaps even successfully decrease your tax invoice as a result of I do know that that is one thing that you just’re most likely coping with for the primary time, making a ton of cash and having to pay a ton of taxes on it, proper?

Josh:
Sure. I jumped on the entire tax scenario as early as I may. As an agent, I arrange my consumption fee by an S-corp versus a person, in order that lowers my tax burden considerably. After which I may also leverage price segregations as nicely within the properties that I’m preserving to decrease my commissions coming in. I’m making an attempt to make the most of as many methods as I can.

David:
Completely.

Rob:
Hey, you don’t hear 22-year-olds discuss price segregation all that always.

David:
By no means heard that come out of a 22-year-old’s mouth, truly, it’s the primary time.

Rob:
Severely, dude, I really feel like we acquired to speak about price segregations extra simply on the podcast as a result of it’s the actual property cheat code that may prevent, I imply in your case, tons of of hundreds of {dollars} in taxes. In order that’s cool, man. I’m actually glad to see that you just’re saying it. It looks as if you’re scaling up in response to what you are able to do. So simply take into consideration how one can most successfully use your time, since you acquired the time and the cash proper now, now you simply acquired to determine find out how to use it essentially the most successfully.

Josh:
True.

David:
Your first aim was to switch your DoorDash revenue. You’ve carried out that. What’s your subsequent aim?

Josh:
My subsequent aim, I need to have 100 models by the top of the yr.

David:
100 models by the top of the yr, that’s all.

Rob:
I imply, it looks as if you’re occupied with precisely what I’m speaking about, proper? One to a few properties in a yr, that’s going to be 10 to 30 properties. So clearly you’re pondering, “How can I get to 100?” Proper? I believe it’s so cool, man, that you just’re on this podcast. It’s a really inspirational story. You went from being a DoorDash driver to proudly owning a $1.5 million portfolio. And it’s additionally simply so loopy to know that subsequent yr your portfolio goes to be wildly completely different than what we’re speaking about right now.

Josh:
I believe so, yeah.

David:
Congratulations, Josh. That is an superior story. Thanks for sharing the place you’re at. Very inspirational. You haven’t let something cease you, together with your age or how a lot I believe you appear to be Dave Franco. You’re pushing ahead despite all of this. You can have taken the Hollywood route. As an alternative, you took the true property investing route, so welcome to our facet. If folks need to discover out extra about you, the place’s the most effective place that they’ll discover you?

Josh:
Two locations. You may observe or message me on Instagram, @JoshJanus, simply my identify, after which similar factor on BiggerPockets, Joshua Janus, I’m on there.

David:
All proper. Rob, the place can folks discover out extra about you?

Rob:
You could find me over on Rob Belt on YouTube and Instagram and in your coronary heart. Nicely, that joke gained’t land as a result of the opposite podcast comes out after this one, but-

David:
You will notice why I laughed for those who hearken to a future podcast episode. That can make plenty of sense. This was a callback earlier than it was truly mentioned. That is some tenant kind stuff that we’re moving into the place we’re manipulating time for you guys on a podcast. You’re going to adore it.

Rob:
It’s a name ahead.

David:
Sure, a name ahead even higher. There you go. Josh, it completely is sensible you don’t know what we’re speaking about, it should sooner or later, so simply dangle with us right here. Thanks for being a very good sport.
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Josh, incredible job. Very, very, very excited to listen to what you’re doing, particularly since you’re an agent and you progress ahead. Take a look at my books. Let me know what you consider the three books I wrote within the Prime Producing Agent collection for BiggerPockets. I’d be curious what you assume as somebody who’s 22 and is already crushing it. Rob, do you will have any final phrases earlier than we get out of right here?

Rob:
Yeah, Josh, you can take a look at the books that David simply talked about, however actually the e book that it’s essential be testing is David’s upcoming e book, Scale, which talks about how as an actual property agent you’ll be able to scale what you are promoting. That can be popping out quickly.

David:
All proper.

Rob:
Promo code for that, we don’t have one. However anyhow, examine that out.

David:
We’ve acquired a name ahead and a name again all in the identical present. Nice job, Rob.

Rob:
And we’re again.

David:
All proper, Josh, we’re going to allow you to get out of right here. That is David Greene for Rob ‘The Comic’ Abusolo signing off.